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Old February 8th, 2008, 00:36
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According to me one should not do suicide for any reason.And anyone will get shock when loved one only died by suicide.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 10:45
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My dad committed suicide quite some time ago now. And my brother carries out suicide attempts on a regular bases. He's a grown man and it is very hard to tell him to go talk to someone, he just gets angry. One of these days I'm afraid he is going to succeed. And there is nothing I can do about it. I can't even go to someone on his behave they just say he has to ask for help himself.

There is a difference when someone dies of suicide and someone dies of some other cause. In my case the suicide brought so much anger and this hampered healing for such a long time. I have also, more recently, lost a granddaughter and, as sad and painful as that is, it is a more gentle sadness, at least you can actually experience the grieving process, and you are fit to be supportive to others. Not like the suicide where everyone is angry and feeling so much guilt.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 05:59
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Dear Dancer,
Your comments about your family and your brother in particular set me wondering whether he has as yet found any understanding of the spiritual background of life. Does he have any idea that all life is subject to Universal laws, the law of Karma in particular? Would there be any point in drawing his attention to the fact that every action causes a reaction and that he, the same as everybody else, is responsible for his every word, thought and action?

How about showing him the following link:

‘The Law of Karma’

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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:07
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Aquarius,

I'm a rather spiritual person although not religious. I meditate and have an interest in Zen Buddhism and this has helped me enormously. But my brother is a different kettle of fish. He has always been rather angry about the circumstances of our abusive childhood and our dad's eventual suicide. He is oblivious to anything spiritual. He is alone, his wife left him and his children barely speak to him. He lives a little ways away from us but I visit every summer for a few weeks and work at trying to get him to get some help. He drinks quite a bit and just keeps saying he's fine and that we fuss too much. It is hard for the rest of us to see him like this but what can you do to help someone who says they don't need help?
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Old November 30th, 2008, 08:01
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Dear Dancer – is there any way of getting through to him that he alone is responsible for his life and everything that is in it, and that we ourselves create our own reality? You are right; there is no way of helping anyone who does not wish to be helped. But when he’s finally down on his knees, he may turn to the Universe – not in a religious but a spiritual way, because we are all spirit and soul – and ask that help may come from somewhere. And when he does, it will come and how are you and I to know that he may not be doing just that, at this very moment.

Is there any chance of explaining to him that he is not truly your father’s child? Would there be any point in taking a printout of the following and leaving it about somewhere, so that – a bit unobtrusively, if possible – he finds it ‘per chance’? Who knows? In this form the help he asked for – let’s suppose he did – would be coming to him, through you. God, and by that I mean the Universal Life Force, works in mysterious ways. Good luck with it!

ABOUT CHILDREN
A woman held her babe against her bosom and said:
‘Speak to us of children’,
And the Prophet replied: ‘Your children are not your children;
They are the sons and daughters of life’s longing to experience itself.
Your children come through you, but they are
Neither of you nor from you;
And although for a time, they are with you,
They do not belong to you.
You may give them your love, but not your thoughts,
For they have to think their own thoughts.

You may house their bodies, but not their souls,
Because they dwell in the house of tomorrow,
Which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
But you will visit it again, when you return to Earth
As a child in future lifetimes.

You may strive to be like them;
Be young and see your world through the eyes of a child again,
But do not seek to make them like you,
For life neither goes backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which life sends forth Its children
As living arrows.

The Divine Archer alone can see their mark and yours
Upon the path of the Infinite.
With His might he bends each one of you into shape,
So that all His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the Archer’s hand be with gladness;
For as much as He loves the arrow that flies,
He loves the bow that is stable.

He particularly loves parents, who give their children roots to grown in
And the freedom to fly when their time has come to do so;
Who as their children grow up, slowly step back and set them free,
Encouraging them to learn from their own experiences,
And to dream their own dreams;
Who do all they can to help their children
To fulfil their own highest potential, not their parents’.

The Archer loves wise parents and teachers,
Who tell the children in their care that they are the children of God
And that therefore one is as precious and unique as the other;
Who respect them because they know that even when a child is still living
In a smaller body than their own, it has nonetheless
Come into our world as a fully developed soul and spirit in its own right,
Who may have a long history of evolution behind it
That could have taken more lifetimes than those of its parents.

Wise parents tell their offspring that they are certainly not some kind
Of appendix of theirs and that they have come into this life
To learn, evolve and grow some more through their own experiences,
The same as they are doing and will always continue to do.
When their children go to school, they point out to them that they are
Learning for themselves and for life itself,
Not only for this lifetime, but for Eternity.
They explain to them the laws of the Universe and that because of this,
Whatever anyone sends out to life has to return to them.
And they teach by their good example that it is necessary
To have some input into this life, before one can expect
To get anything of value from it.

From ‘The Prophet’ by Kahlil Gibran 1883-1931
Lebanese/American poet
Edited by Aquarius

From ‘White Eagle on Reincarnation’ comes the following wisdom: ‘The Master Jesus referred more than once to trees, and he cursed the barren fig tree, an action that has remained a puzzle to many Christians. He cursed the fig tree because it bore no fruit, and by so doing he showed to us that a person must bring forth the fruits of life, and that if he or she fails through sloth or ignorance to do so, this incarnation is nil, is wasted. Like a tree, the individual life must neither be barren of good nor wholly unproductive.’

The way I understand this parable is that the Master Jesus was not referring to women who, in their present lifetime, for one reason or another cannot or do not wish to bear children. He knew this is very much of a karmic nature and therefore predestined. He used the fig tree as a metaphor for all human souls on their way back into their true nature and the oneness with God. The tale is a warning to those who fail through sloth or ignorance, as he puts it, to get on with the work every soul has come to do on the Earth plane. Those who do not are in danger of wasting a whole precious lifetime. First and foremost, we are here to change our negative character traces into positive ones, and to convert our weaknesses into strength. Gathering the fruits from the tree of life, of which the Master spoke, is only possible through willingly accepting the learning which each one of our experiences is meant to bring us; that alone can move us forward on our evolutionary pathway.

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Old November 30th, 2008, 13:53
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Aquarius,

Thank you for that. I have taken a copy of it. Thank you for your concern.
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Old December 1st, 2008, 07:13
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All my love and best wishes are with you and also with your brother; I hope and pray that one of these days you may get through to him.

With love - Aquarius
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Old December 2nd, 2008, 07:27
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Thank you for your kind words.
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